The Power of Fairy Tales with Laura Lewis-Barr

[00:00:02.220] - Sheila

Welcome to the spiritual geek podcast, Wisden for Modern Times, where we focus on living with intention to consciously create a life you love and celebrate. I'm your host, Sheila Franzen, and I'm so excited to share another episode with you. Today, Laura has joined me for a discussion about the healing power of fairy tales. Laura Lewis Barr is an award winning writer, filmmaker, and educator. She was a graduate student in clinical psychology, but eventually switched majors and earned her MA in theater. Laura's art focuses on mythic stories for personal and collective transformation. Laura's films are made in her basement in Chicago. Her screening events are filled with heart and questions for the soul. You can find more at Laura's website at laurallewisbarrfilms. Com. So, Laura, welcome and thanks for joining me.

[00:00:59.700] - Laura

Thank you, Sheila. I'm excited.

[00:01:02.980] - Sheila

You're welcome. I'm glad to have you here. Is there anything else you would like to share as part of your introduction?

[00:01:10.780] - Laura

The only thing that sits on my heart these days is that my little films, I'm hoping if people are inspired to think about them as a little book club offering. I think I'm finding that they work so well in groups. I just want to put that out there. Watching and discussing these in groups is one of my prayers.

[00:01:41.790] - Sheila

I love that because I was actually watching some of yours this morning and I thought, how fun would it be to discuss these with teenagers for a bunch of the topics? I was like, these are really insightful. Some of them really appropriate for all different age groups. I was thinking how cool that would be that you could have discussions around them. I like that. I like that a lot.

[00:02:14.760] - Laura

So yeah.

[00:02:16.190] - Sheila

And that's part of the conversation, right? That's the fun we get to have when we dive into the depths of something that seemed so simple. There's depth to them. I think that's part of, I'm guessing, part of your love of doing this, right? You're creating short films and yet there is a depth and a curiosity and a set of questions that I think get inspired from that. They make you think. I actually was curious as we launch into this conversation, what is it about about doing this that you love? How did you decide to do stop motion? Where does that come from for these such deep topics that you cover in some of these?

[00:03:14.880] - Laura

Yeah, I'm so lucky. A lot of my life seems to have come together. I'm sure I'm not unusual to have all these different parts of me. So the part that studied psychology and has loved it, and the theater person, the artist in me, and then studying fairy tales when I turned 50, almost right on track, having midlife, I don't know, crisis, but having life fall apart in certain ways. And discovering the work of Marie Louise von Fronz, who was somebody who worked with Carl Jung. S he talked lots and lots about fairy tales. So I was doing theater and I got the opportunity to make a film and fell in love with films. When I decided to try my hand at making a film film, I taught myself the camera by using these dolls because I didn't want to make live actors stand around as I tried to figure out how to use the camera. Then I fell in love with stop motion and the fairy tales that I had been studying were perfect in terms of the length and in terms of the dolls are pretty archetypal themselves. So everything came together, and that's basically the pandemic hit right after that.

[00:05:07.640] - Laura

And so I had tons of time. My day job didn't happen anymore. And I was teaching public speaking and other things. I couldn't do it. So yeah, I had tons of time to just devote. So yeah, it wasn't thought out. And I was just thinking today how the most precious things in my life seem to always come as a gift, not something that I try to make happen. I'm always trying to make things happen, but other things seem to just come, and they're really amazing, miraculous gifts, and this is one of them.

[00:05:51.220] - Sheila

Yeah, that art. There's an aspect of intentional creation in life, and yet you mentioned right there the aspect of receiving. And those sometimes are the most powerful things that happen for us is what we learn to receive versus what we create. As I was watching some of your short films, I was like, Well, how do you come up with an idea? Where do you start? How does this process work to take a fairytale and then find a deeper message in it that I think fairytales, well, sometimes they're, I don't know, bizarre to me, to be honest. I can't always make sense out of even some of the kid's ones I used to read. Our kids joke about them now as teenagers, like, Those fairy tales were scary. But how do you come up with the idea of what you're going to do in this little stop motion world?

[00:07:04.610] - Laura

Wow. Lots of deep water here because you're mentioning how fairy tales can be bizarre. I totally agree. T o me, they're like dreams. And the more I spend time with myth and fairytale and dreams, the more gifted I am as a an artist because those are all realms that are beyond the ego's understanding. And so to start to explore what those things mean, means to think more mythically or architpically or whatever the word. That's one piece. I just want to acknowledge that I do work with groups around these films and have discussions. I think it is a shifting from a certain ego place to a more mystical place of understanding or not understanding and embracing that understanding. That's one thing. But the question of where ideas come from is really such a yummy question because... I've just been thinking about this maybe today that I'm finishing a project right now and I'm getting ready to start a new project. There's a feeling, I'm wondering if you can relate to this too, there's a feeling almost in my body when an idea comes that feels like it's bigger than me, it's not from me, it's a gift to me, and there's a rightness to it that I recognize.

[00:08:59.600] - Laura

T For many years, I have talked about having a muse, and the longer I live, the more I think it's very true that there is, whatever you want to call it, there's an instant spiring energy that I've been gifted with and also challenged with. And also it's not an easy path to be an artist at all. But I think ideas come and it's always like that little gasp I feel of surprise that, Oh my gosh, wow. I think fairy tales themselves are so rich that they're a wonderful jumping off place for my own ideas or the ideas gifted to me. Starting from scratch can be harder, but those ideas come to, that was a lot of answer.

[00:10:06.410] - Sheila

No, I love it. I love that you bring up that aspect of a muse, which it's that aspect of divine inspiration. That's where muse... I was just quickly looking it up of where does that word actually come from? And in Greek and Roman mythology, it was each of the nine goddesses, the daughters of Jesus who presided over the arts and the sciences. And so it really was this aspect of mythological inspiration in its own way. So that's a really fun word to play with in this realm of creativity and the arts and how you come up with ideas. I hear what you describe and I think of all of my experience and training and work around intuition. Also, you're listening to your intuition in your body of, Oh, wow, that feels right. And yet the idea, whether that's coming from you and your connection to your own soul, or whether it's coming from an inspiration of, I don't know, maybe who wrote the fairy tale. You never know where sometimes those inspirations are coming from. But when you listen and honor that feeling of yes in your body and in your knowing, that's the fun, that's the joy of life.

[00:11:38.110] - Sheila

That's what makes it exciting. Then what puts passion into what you're creating and the story that you're going to tell.

[00:11:46.880] - Laura

It's very trippy to me that an idea comes and I feel so blessed that I have the ability to make something that other people can watch and that idea that just mystically came now exists. It's now this thing that's.

[00:12:10.150] - Sheila

In the world.

[00:12:11.430] - Laura

That's just trippy.

[00:12:14.340] - Sheila

Well, one of my good friends frequently talks about intuition and how it always feels like you're making it up. And there is a way that intuition, or at least that aspect of when we receive information or we get those moments of inspiration. I've always struggled with this being somebody who is very analytical and in my mind a lot and then playing in this world in between spirit and the divine and logic and the mind is I really had to let go of the idea of whether it was... It does feel like you're making it up. So I think the idea I had to let go of was it's okay. It's going to feel different. When you hit that point and it's taken me a long time to get there, I now know and trust, oh, that was my thought. That came from somewhere else. I don't always know where it comes from. I always ask for everything to be of the light and from the light so that I'm not getting mixed up in things that aren't of the light. But I now just trust because after another a few years of practice and different people confirming and different things happening and coming true of ideas and these moments of inspiration that I get.

[00:13:54.780] - Sheila

And then I have a group of friends now where it'll be like, Hey, I just got this. And they'll be like, Oh, I thought about that yesterday. And it's like, Oh, I guess we're all hearing something, so this is what we need to do next thing. But it does feel weird. It has a different sense in our minds. And it does often feel like you're making it up because it feels like it's your imagination. And so that part of storytelling, you are leveraging the imagination. You want people to be imagining along with what they're watching. Yeah.

[00:14:30.440] - Laura

I think it's funny that our culture has made imagination into just a children's past time instead of one of the most important parts of our life as adults. I know in all of my studies, starting when I was in my 20s and doing transpersonal psychology studies and realizing that the imaginal world is a real world. It's just on another plane and it's powerful. J unge was and Freud were scientists that took that imaginal world so seriously. The imaginal world is running the world. It's running politics, it's running the financial institutions, it's running everything that we consider real, I believe. It's something we all have access to, and yet somehow I only got reengaged to it by going to this really amazing school because I think my opinion in this moment as we're talking is that it's just drilled out of us in school.

[00:16:05.190] - Sheila

Yes. Well, this would be a sidetrack and a tangent, but our school system, particularly in the US, at least our general public school system came about in the time of war when they needed to teach children how to do repetitive things. And so I looked into education a lot for a period in my life and was fascinated by better ways that we could educate and round out what is taught to our children. I think there's many adjustments the education system has tried to make. And there's now the alternative education out there, particularly for a lot of the younger elementary school, where you can do Montessori and Waltorf and some of the other school environments that have been created, try to touch on a bit more of the balance doubt of each kid on their own journey and being in their imagination and the playfulness of being a child. Because how much of our healing as an adult is to return to the playfulness of being a child? Our inner child and what is our inner child missing and our dream world and what are we trying to process and all of these aspects of psychology that crossover in a lot of times same words or different words, but similar themes that we're trying to interpret dreams and make sense out of our inner world, which is that imaginal world because that's really our consciousness.

[00:18:00.370] - Sheila

It's what's going on in our conscious and subconscious is it starts... Well, it is our reality. It's how we see the world. I love that word imaginal. I think that's a fun word. I like that one a lot.

[00:18:16.490] - Laura

Yeah. And speaking of the inner child and all of that, I think I didn't realize when I was playing in my basement with these dolls that I was also doing inner child work. And that I think so much of my life these days is recognizing that there are these simple realities like being connected to that well spring of the child within us that is going to heal us and the planet. So this is all everything we're talking about is where I live and what I love.

[00:19:08.170] - Sheila

Yeah, that innocence of creating these little stop motion and longer some. I had always watch on the shorter ones so that I could consume several of them. It does bring a childlike energy just watching it because you are using dolls. There's an aspect of that that I think drops you into a different energy just to watch it and listen to it. There's such brilliance in that because our films and so much of today is The movies are so intense and almost overdone. We have to have more and more stimulus to have a good movie. And yet sometimes it's nice to just not have that. We're actually creating... In a movie world, the frame rates are so fast, it's even hard and scrambles your brain because it's faster than your brain processes and your eyes and all of that. I just love the imagination and the youthfulness and inner child that you yet take and cover these really wonderful topics that make you think. They make you consider something, which coming back to your point earlier of I loved how you described that fairytales, it's almost like you get to have your, as we all do, nd in an imagined world, our own interpretation of them.

[00:20:47.840] - Sheila

There's not the perfect way to see them. But I think remembering that reminds me to try to read fairy tales with a different mindset. Rather than trying to logically make sense out of them, it's almost like interpreting a dream, as you said. Our dream can only truly make sense to us. Nobody else can truly interpret that dream. I don't think because it's my dream and my subconscious. What's a yellow bird mean to me? Well, it's going to mean something different to me based on my life and my experience than it's going to mean to you. The I feel inspired to think about because I never always connected with all the... Even reading them to my kids, I'm like, I cannot make sense out of this. But it's not about making sense out of it. It's like, what inspiration can I get from it in this moment? It might be different when I read the fairytale the next time that I have a different inspiration. I love that thinking about it more as a dream or a myth.

[00:21:58.420] - Laura

Yeah, exactly. I think dreams and fairy tales, as you're saying, they can have profound messages like any work of art. They can have a profound message that we understand over time and that we understood it one way, and now we understand much more. Fairytales contain perennial wisdom, I always say, because they came out of oral traditions and were told and retold and refo ssioneded. There was something, to use more modern language, there was something sticky about them. They fairytales like Little Red Riding hood, for instance, or Beauty and the Beast, or other ones that are really ancient or Psyche and arrows, they have a lot to say about our psychology. Well, at least that's my belief and that the say it be like the shamanic or the best dreamer, the best artist, or the most insightful people that found these stories and then other people told them. They just... There's a skeleton, a bone structure of really amazing wisdom, and it feels wonderful to hang out in those stories. They are changing the way I tell my own stories, too. I can feel their effect on me just when I am composing something or something's coming through me that I don't know the origin of.

[00:24:00.360] - Laura

Yeah.

[00:24:02.080] - Sheila

Who knew? I don't know. I was trying to sit with that sense of where you're talking about there. When we have stories like fairy tales told that stand the test of time, so to speak, there's an energy that is created from that construct that is it's become its own living thing. It has the energy of the people who originally created the story. It has the energy of those who retold the stories through time and how they might have added their own meaning or their own little twist or their own education, maybe not education, but their own moments of inspiration that you came through for them. So then you take these... They now have a life. They do have a life and you're getting to add your own interpretation as you connect into the energy of that fairy tale. What's it mean for you and how do you get to tell the story? There's a lot of fun in that aspect of storytelling, the lost art of storytelling, so to speak, of taking and now verbalizing it in a new way.

[00:25:33.610] - Laura

I'm nodding, nodding, nodding. I'm nodding my head like crazy. Everything you're saying is really right on. Yeah.

[00:25:43.040] - Sheila

So one of the ones I watched that I really enjoyed was the telling tale where you talk about... Well, I'll let you summarize it, right? I'm assuming they probably are all intimate creations in your mind, this one being about truth. But yeah, so tell me about that one. What can you tell me about that one?

[00:26:09.900] - Laura

Yeah. So it's based on a tale that I heard from the wonderful mythologist Michael Mead. It's some old story. I'm not sure where it comes from, actually, beyond him. But a story about, in my case, I usually make daughters in a lot of my stories. Sometimes the original is a son. But anyway, there's a daughter who can't speak or see suddenly. We find out that the cure for her is for other people around her to tell the truth. Wow, in of thinking about individual family systems or the country or truth and reconciliation in the world, yeah, it is a pretty potent metaphor of illness and health and truth and lies. That's the basic story that they discover that if they tell truths around her, she'll get better Yeah.

[00:27:31.910] - Sheila

It is a reflection at every level. I think this is where you could come up with when you talk about people talking about these in groups based on how you do this shared, how you came up with it, is you could have questions that inspire people to have conversation around these. It's a For me, you need to think about, Well, how do we take this truth and healing when you talk about it across the world or in politics? At surface level, it's like, Oh, yeah. Simple conversation. Just tell the truth. But it's like, How would that really change things? How does it really change things when you tell the truth in your family or when you tell the truth to yourself? That aspect of I actually just had the opportunity to enjoy a beautiful cranial sacral session this morning with a lot of somatic experiencing, which is that recognizing and feeling what's in your body. It's an honoring. Truth is such a beautiful honoring of what is. When we uncover the depths of that and we tell those truths and then healing does happen, whether it's healing in a relationship, healing in our bodies. Yeah, it's such a simple little five minute telling tale.

[00:29:14.750] - Sheila

And yet when you spend time and contemplate and philosophize those meanings, you can take them to wonderful destinations.

[00:29:27.010] - Laura

Yeah, I sense for kindred spirits and in terms of loving the teaching role or the role of exploring things in-depth. I have pages of questions for my films that I use with people, and o one question for this film I might ask is, is there a truth you're ready to tell someone? Or can you remember an experience of losing sight, not literally, maybe. But I love asking the question I ask for every session I do with people is, where are you at in the tale right now? What part are you living? And I think those questions for all of my films, what part are you living suddenly puts... And Michael Mead taught me that, and other people teach me that, too, that puts me in that metaphoric place entering the story, entering the metaphor. And it's powerful. I just witness how people have these shifts when they move into that space.

[00:30:50.150] - Sheila

Yeah, it's the question because the question makes us think. It brings you back into this moment. I love that question. Where in the tail are you? I watched it and I know there's a couple of situations in my life. I know exactly where in that in that tale. It's not so much my own truth, but just witnessing other aspects of my life and the world. It truly is when you look at so many aspects, you can... Well, this is the aspect of analyzing things, of the aspect I think that you bring to it, which is really fun. And the depth that you bring is because it's not just a film. Your background in psychology and loving Freud or young and Freud and that analytic aspect that they brought to psychology and how we see the world. I spend a lot more time in a spiritual seeking world than I was 20 or 30 years ago, where I was just very much more focused on self improvement and self development. But that journey really all began or it got really deep when I committed to doing psychoanalytic work for many years. The depth of what's available in any given topic or any given thought is there's an onion to unwind in anything you bring up.

[00:32:37.880] - Sheila

That part is a lot of fun. I can see in fairy tales now, which I didn't quite get before we started the conversation, the depth that you can unwind in any story, any fiction story. Even fiction stories, there's a depth of understanding to unwind and ponder and think about. So it's a lot of fun.

[00:33:01.630] - Laura

I'm always a student of it, that's for sure, and always trying to figure out what makes a work spiritual or what points us in that direction and is everything spiritual or is everything a teaching vehicle? I think you're right. I think any work of art has that potentially to it. But it and but recently we went to the theater, my husband and I, and we saw a musical called Hades Town, which won a bunch of Tony awards. It's about Persephone and Hades in Hades. It's also about Eurydice and Orpheus. So all of these mythological characters. But it didn't feel like... I'm spending all of this time trying to explore these from a psychological viewpoint, and it didn't feel like they did that. I could feel the difference, and it made me wonder, Well, what is the difference? What does it mean to approach this work from that spiritual, psychological place? I think it is what you're saying that you're looking to the depth. They had a joke because Persephone is the goddess who gets taken to the Underworld by Hades and stays there six months, the winter months of the year. What is that? What is it to be?

[00:34:49.620] - Laura

What is it to descend? What is it to make a descent in myself? That's a pretty serious topic. They didn't really go there and that's fine. It was fun. I enjoyed it. But I'm a student of this and it's fascinating to me to do this other type of work that not everybody wants. But some people, like you're saying, I think, what can we create for the world? I think I'm doing this for no money. It costs me money. Sometimes I feel like real dope for it. The capitalist messages make me wonder. I wonder why. I do it because it needs to be done on some level. We need to make art that, or I do anyway, that speaks to this spiritual thing that's so important to me.

[00:35:59.050] - Sheila

I'm glad you're doing that. It is beautiful. Not everything has to go there, but I think it's how you see the world. A course in miracles, one of my favorite ones that I always remember is nothing has meaning except the meaning you give it. A lot of people take the meaning other people give to things as their own versus exploring what does it mean to me? And I think that's what is really powerful in what you do is you're exploring what it means to you. And in that exploration and the telling of that story, it inspires people of what it means for them. That's beautiful, right? That's art at its deepest level.

[00:36:56.470] - Laura

Thank you. It's not as I've said, it's not an easy path, and I often doubt and get confused. But there are moments where things come together and I go, Wow, yeah, and I'm glad that I'm sticking to it.

[00:37:19.740] - Sheila

Yes. Well, it's hard when we have our own inspirations and our passions, and it's easy to talk ourselves out of them or get sidetracked and forget why we're doing it. It's important to try and or to not give up because it's in those moments that we find the most power and the unique aspect of what we're trying to do and what we're trying to bring and how it can move forward. It's not always easy. I guess if life was easy, though, we wouldn't all be here learning.

[00:38:09.340] - Laura

Right. So true. Yeah. Do you.

[00:38:15.460] - Sheila

Have a favorite creation of all of your creations? Do you have one that has the most powerful message to you?

[00:38:24.130] - Laura

I can't say. Often it's the one I'm working on is my favorite just because I'm enmeshed in it.

[00:38:36.050] - Sheila

That makes sense. That means you're completely present.

[00:38:40.250] - Laura

That's beautiful. Yeah. I think there is a recent one called The Two Travelers, which really stretched me. It was hard, and it's long, and it's a pretty intense tale. But they're all my children. I think that's... And I don't have physical children. And so even more so, my art really does feel like these are my children. So I love them all.

[00:39:20.970] - Sheila

Yeah, they're your creations. When we can be that inspired and that in love with what we're creating, then those things do feel like our children. That's really cool. To me, that's the ultimate. If your creations actually feel like your children, then wow, you're living and doing what you love.

[00:39:52.120] - Laura

It's been strange, though, because for many, many, many years, I wrote plays and screen plays. Before screen plays, I wrote plays, and I would take a year to write a play and then I'd work on it for years. It was really a child. But I couldn't get maybe somebody to produce that play. Then it's like, I don't have anywhere to put the child except in the drawer.

[00:40:25.420] - Sheila

Now that feels sad.

[00:40:27.650] - Laura

Yeah, it's a very strange experience. L ately, I've started to have this fantasy that there are other dimensions in reality, the ascended masters or whoever, and they're enjoying migration. That makes me happy. T here was one short script that I sent out a lot and it never got picked up. I during COVID thought, Right, I'm going to make it with the dolls. I felt really nervous because all these gatekeepersers, all these producers had turned it down. And I thought, Well, who am I to make it? Maybe it's not good enough. But I just said, Okay, I'm going to do it. And I did it. And it got into all these film festivals and people really like it. And so it's a very strange world to make things like scripts that don't really exist yet. They're still in the womb in a way. And then to deliver it into the world in a project that I was scared to do because who am I? Who am I to do it? Nobody gave me permission. And it's fascinating to give yourself permission.

[00:41:53.650] - Sheila

Well, and it wasn't fun.

[00:41:54.490] - Laura

You feel that way with the podcast? Have you felt that way with the podcast?

[00:41:59.380] - Sheila

Yes. Yes. I had the idea for it and I'm like, Is anybody really going to listen to this? I'm like, I'm just going to do it anyway. It will t's definitely one of trusting those guidance and moments of inspiration to just have these beautiful, fun conversations that do bring meaning to things that we might not normally bring meaning to, or to take topics that are spiritual or even not spiritual and just unwind them and dive deeper into them and not go light with them. It's how I live my everyday life. My one daughter frequently says to me, I'll start to respond to something when she asks the question, and she's like, Do you have to go spiritual again? I'm like, Yeah, I do. That's funny.

[00:43:04.940] - Sheila

But it is hard. It's the most vulnerable thing to do is take something you've created and then fully bring it to fruition. I can imagine that was really hard because we want other people's approval and we want their acceptance. So, yeah for you for taking and actually just creating it. That's awesome.

[00:43:38.930] - Laura

Thanks. It is a really wild journey, that's for sure.

[00:43:45.950] - Laura

I create them for a particular community, the seeking community that you're speaking about a lot, but then also mainstream. I try to be I try to be for both, and it's hard. It's hard for me to be unattached to outcomes, man, because I really do get attached to wanting to be in film festivals and wanting that approval and wanting people to like it. It's definitely a very interesting path because you need some strong ego to be a creator, but you also need to let go of that ego in order to live a balanced spiritual life. It's always little, it's a ton of learning. It's a lot of learning.

[00:44:48.660] - Sheila

Well, that's what we're here doing. Our Earth is our school. And so if we're not learning, we're dying. So as long we keep learning, we're making progress and we're growing and expanding our consciousness. So that's the B in the journey, B in the moment.

[00:45:10.520] - Laura

Yeah.

[00:45:11.950] - Sheila

Well, can you share with others how they can watch your films or learn more about what you do?

[00:45:19.080] - Laura

Oh, yes. The easiest way is my name. So Lora, L A URA, Louis, L EWIS, Barr, B A RR films, laurallewisbarrfilms. Com. That gets you to social media and my YouTube channel and other information about what I'm doing. I'm thrilled not only to do podcasts like this, but I've been presenting at conferences, as in Carl Jung conferences, and doing workshops with people. So it's been really amazing and wonderful. And I'd love people to visit that site and subscribe to my channel and start to build community because originally I just wanted to make films. I just want to do films, leave me alone, let me be in the basement. But unfortunately, I feel like part of my calling is to help create community because my feeling is there's a desperation for it in the world right now, and I'm desperate for it, too. So a lot of what I do when I'm not making films these days is to try to find places where we can come together. The films become a vehicle for that sometimes.

[00:46:53.320] - Sheila

Yes. I think community is extremely valuable and necessary. It's our connections that we get to share the joy and the fun of life and what we're doing. Doing and living. I love that you're focused on community. I agree. I think there needs to be more of that. Thank you, Laura, for joining me today. It's been a ton of fun to dive into fairy tales. There are many meanings and just conversation around how we take something that we would normally think of as such a simple topic of kids fairytales and just explore that they are so much more powerful than that. Thank you. I really appreciate that. I think if anything, it gives new meaning to everybody when they're reading fairy tales to their kids and to their grandchildren and bringing in and being curious of watching a new interpretation and a new perspective on them versus just the continued reprint of the words of the fairy tales that we have in books. I think you bring an aspect of new life to them, and that's really cool. So thank you for joining me.

[00:48:24.040] - Laura

Thank you, Sheila. You made my day.

[00:48:29.300] - Sheila

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