Hello Bright Lights! Intuitive Guide Dheepa joins me for a beautiful discussion around presence and living on the edge of change. We dive into navigating change and what living on the edge truly means. We also explore a bit of the divine feminine and living in balance while having fun.
About Dheepa: Dheepa Nedungat is an Intuitive Guide, Resonance Alchemy Healer and Facilitator. She advocates and teaches practices for embodying and reclaiming your sacred voice, creative expression and leadership. Her prayer, to be humble and in service to the Divine Mother, feeds and informs her work for birthing a new life in the dawning of this new age. Dheepa shares her healing and empowerment journey using intuitive meditative processes, offering guidance and clarity for those seeking to Know Thyself and reclaim their personal power and leadership.
About Sheila: Sheila is a coach, technical geek, author and energy healer. She works with spiritual seekers to assist them in discovering, embracing and standing in their Soul's power. She helps them create momentum with coaching, support and healing so they can light up their path to step forward in service to humanity.
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Welcome to the spiritual geek podcast, Wisdom for Modern Times, where we focus on living with intention to consciously create a life you love and celebrate. I'm your host, Sheila Franzen, and I'm so excited to share another episode with you. Today, Dheepa has joined me for a discussion about living on the edge of change. Dheepa is an intuitive guide, resonance, alchemy healer, and facilitator. She advocates and teaches practices for embodying and reclaiming your sacred voice, creative expression, and leadership. Her prayer, to be humble and in service to the divine mother, feeds and informs her work for birthing a new life in the daunting of this new age. Dheepa shares her healing and empowerment journey using intuitive meditative processes, offering guidance and clarity for those seeking to know thyself and reclaim their personal power and leadership. Deepa, welcome and thanks for joining me.
Thank you, Sheila. Thank you.
So is there anything else you'd like to share as part of your introduction?
I was wondering about that. And as soon as you spoke the words divine mother, that's where I melted into. And it really feels that's the space that I am always pulling into alignment with. How can I serve what divine mother is calling us to serve into? What is the invitation for us, the space to step into so we actually can truly honor the path that we've been birthed to step into and offer our gifts. I think for me, my call to service has been an answer to that prayer, to be in service to the divine mother. I think when I work with my clients, it is always a space that is created for that knowing to be reclaimed for each person as they step into this healing container. Yeah.
Thanks for.
Asking me that. I just felt so touched by that bio that I was just needed to speak a bit more into the divine mother.
Well, and I found myself when I read that line, I just dropped into the beautiful space and energy of that. The divine mother is... It's a concept that it seems simple, and yet it's not. It's incredibly complex. It's beautiful. It creates this balance in the universe. I love that you claim that reconnection and birthing of that because without the recognition of that balance of the divine mother with the divine father, we're not in balance in the universe, in our day to day lives, in our earthly existence. I just love that you have declared that and that you work with that in the energy of everything that you do.
Thank you, Sheila. I think speaking to that balance, I think that is the crucial part of the journey. I think the more we question and step into the invitation for balance to come back into our lives, we're talking about activating that mother aspect, the divine mother aspect, but equally, as you said, with the divine father.
You had proposed this beautiful concept of living on the edge of change and this facing the edge of the unknown every day. Tell me more about that. What does that mean for you? How does that show up in your life?
Well, first, I have to say, when I received your invitation to be on this podcast and you had said, Let's talk about something fun. Let's get into a fun conversation. This is the topic that just...
I've got to talk about this living on the Edge. And then, of course, in typical fashion, I was like, Oh, my gosh. So what am I actually really speaking into? And yeah, it's actually quite t's actually a lot... Well, I wouldn't say simpler, but it's actually what we can bring into everyday life. If I was to frame the context of living on the edge, it tends to bring up ideas that we're living in a way that's all about taking risks and living dangerously. But it's not so much from a place of reckless abandonment. This is more an invitation to really explore our relationship to life and how we show up to it. So it's a really broad exploration to who we become when we're facing life and the Christian being or the nature of life being that life is full of uncertainty. There is no certainty in life. Living on the edge then becomes this opportunity for us to choose. Are we going to live our lives trying to create as much certainty, trying to control and create stability and develop as much reliability that we can and to control that? Or do we accept the uncertainty?
We actually step into a space where we live with that uncertainty, we go with the flow of uncertainty. And there's a curiosity to allow that uncertainty to inform us. Does that make sense?
Yes, it does. I was just pondering all of the pieces and the tidbits of knowledge and wisdom in there. This aspect of embracing the uncertainty is I think what I was almost seeing as you were talking about that was this way that you mentioned even in your bio, the concept of the dawn of this new age. There's an energy shift that's happening on the planet. I think for a lot of people, it can feel like things are moving faster. Even the astrological aspects and the planetary changes, I don't get into the details, but occasionally I'll have somebody be like, Yeah, there's all these planets doing all these things. It just feels like there is a quickening, a pace that's happening. If you resist that versus allow it and accept that aspect of uncertainty of like, Well, what's that mean? How are we really going to live different in this new age? What will it be like to live heart centered and in balance with the divine mother that creates this different flow of energy? That can feel scary, I think, and overwhelming for a lot of people because you're like, Yeah, things are changing. I feel things feel different.
It is different. And yet it's that embracing what feels different and the choice to... Even if it's not uncertainty, because that sometimes triggers people as well. But it's like being just willing to be fully present with the unknown. But also in the present moment, everything is known. It only feels like it's not known. If you play with these concepts of time or worry about the future or worry about what's changing. If we come back to this moment, then how can we be in this moment? And then we allow and accept all that that is moving ahead of us so fast.
Yeah, precisely. I was going back to what you said in the start around just the intensity of the times that we're in. The fact that the times that we're in is already amplifying the intensity. How do we still just show up in the moment, right? In the moment and to be an allowance of that. And I think this is the opportunity if we actually embraced living on the edge with change as a way to really explore moment to moment, how am I showing up to life right now? This is intense. My world is changing in front of my eyes so rapidly. How do I even cope with this? And as you point out, it is that resistance to that change that actually then causes pain. That's where we start to feel the fatigue of life, right?
Yeah. The moment we step into resistance, it's definitely fatiguing. As you were sharing this aspect of coming back to the present moment, I was, over the years, working with different healers and energy workers and just even in different classes, it's often come up that people have been like, Tai Chi would be really good for you. I'm like, Yeah, that'd be really good for me. I've never done it. I've looked into it, but it's just never been something I took the time to create or took the time to make happen. I've done a couple of try to do it on a cruise ship when they're doing Tai Chi in the morning or something, and I can never follow it because it's really hard to step in and do something that you've never done. So I went to a class yesterday and it was beautiful. I really enjoyed it. But I was distinctly aware of the pace at which I move through life because Tai Chi is so intentional. And for me, there was a part of it that felt so slow because I'm like, I just am always I'm always on the move, I'm always on the go.
And there's a way that while I'm pretty grounded and I focus on being grounded and present, it was an awareness that was brought in for me, probably no accident given we're talking about this today, that I am often trying to move through life and not always as enjoying it and in that gratitude and being on the edge. It's almost like trying to... I'm being tongue tied right now. I spend so much time creating change, creating. I always want to be about the aspect of creation and choice, and yet it's in this moment, in the moment of taichi yesterday of this slowing down. And then even the rest of my day was different. And then there was a point where it actually like, I think there was just an aspect of energy that had moved that I found myself almost irritable because it was like there was an opening that was created and I didn't quite know what to do with it in its own way. And so, yeah, slowing down and embracing this edge of things, right? Not trying to go so fast, you go past it either, right? So it's again, it's always about this aspect of balance.
Yeah. I so love that you bring in this notion of slowing down and also almost the sense of when you slow down, you enter into this huge void, a spaciousness that gets created, which creates even more stillness, right? And when you're used to a faster pace, this can seem triggering for sure. I think this is the crux, really, coming to experience. And for everyone, it's going to be different. Everyone's going to have a different experience of that age. And when we tune into that space of stillness and spaciousness, oh, my gosh, when I think of all the times of feeling rattled or stuck in worry or fear, it is in the moment of where I can actually find that stillness where the problems dissolve. And so what is it about that stillness that can seem uncomfortable? Why don't we want to embrace more stillness in our daily life? Why can't that be a component of living on the edge where we actually allow that stillness to be part of how we respond to life? When we I had this, I don't know whether this is... It's interesting. I recently had this dream, and it was an interesting dream.
I was holding on to what seemed like an anchor. I was just holding it in my hand. Then I sling it just by accident, and it slings, falls, and it flies and falls into the ocean. It goes deep, deep, deep, deep, deep down into the ocean. I'm standing on the land looking and going, Wow, I've just lost my anchor. Should I go and get it? My feeling in that dream was, I don't need it. I don't need that anchor. It was interesting because in my dream, my sister appears and she dives in to look for this anchor. But the dream doesn't go any further. It's like I was content to lose my anchor.
And.
I think that's the thing. When I explore this for myself, what does it mean to feel that I am really responding to life, the moment to moment experience of life? It's those moments when I'm actually saying, I am not anchored here. I'm not caught up with a way of being that I've become comfortable with, my old comfort zones or my old way of being. It's like showing up to life in a new way now. As we know, we're stepping into this new age, the old anchors no longer serve us. And the more we are willing to loosen our grip on that anchor, I guess in my dream, it's showing that I'm actually happy to fling it. I've reached a point where.
I'm like, Okay, I'm not.
At least that's my interpretation of that dream. I don't know. That could be a completely different interpretation. I'm going with that because it makes me feel like I'm embracing life in a completely more freeing way.
Because if you have an anchor on, you don't move easily. You can't move very far. That's the whole point. The anchor keeps you anchored.
That's right. Also equally, we do want to feel anchored. We do want to have that sense of stability because that's very unnerving, especially in the times that we're in. We're watching how life is changing so radically that here in New Zealand, we've had so many... In Auckland, particularly, we've had so much rain and so many people have lost their homes as a result. The very foundation, the grounding has shifted. We've had slips and landslides. It's very much what's happening internally as well. We're losing our own sense of what was grounding for a long time in our lives is now shifting. The ground is shifting. Yet, this is the thing. It's this, if we want to embrace an adventurous, mysterious life in the moment, we also want to feel some sense of security. Because this paradox of living on the edge, it's the need for security and the need for freedom or that need for the curiosity, that space where we don't know. We don't know what's ahead and we want to welcome it. That's the invitation, I guess. Going back to what we said in the start, how do we come to space where there's a balance here, where that old anchor isn't keeping us stuck in our need for stability and security, yet there's a way to let go somewhat of those old anchors to allow the unknown now to come in.
It's so uncomfortable, right? As I say it, it's like, Whoa. I'm suggesting that we be okay with not having that grounded sense of security. It's a big request, really.
Well, I think it's interesting. I think the anchor is a great analogy because there's a difference between an anchor. I actually think it is still important to feel grounded because that's our connection within our bodies and to Earth. And I think that aspect of groundedness is super important. And it's part of how we more easily move through those challenging times. But it's not letting our feet get stuck in the mud. We need to be grounded, but we need to not feel like we're stuck in one place. I use breath a lot. Okay, breath brings breath back into my body. What do you find is one of the things that you use the most on this trying to embrace living on the edge? We're talking about it as a concept, but how do you make it real? What's one thing that helps you make it real?
Well, if it's a practice, a daily practice, then it would be really, as you say, it's that anchoring in the body, right? It could feel grounded in the body. I always begin with really coming to feel that sense of stability and security in my body. That's all I need. I do this first with a morning yoga practice, and then whenever possible, I follow up with dance. So dance, that space to just allow the music to move me to a point where the dance becomes me. I become one with the movement. And that sets me up really to be in the flow because that feels like, okay, I'm in alignment with a flow here. How can I keep bringing that alignment into how I show up today?
Yeah, I love that you bring it back to movement in the body. I have definitely discovered over the past couple of years with the intense energies in my own life, in the world, on these spiritual journeys that we're on, if we're not moving our bodies in some way that feels in alignment for each person, for you, you found yoga and dance, but it might be walking every day for somebody or getting to the gym or running, or taichi, or whatever that is. Because part of the way that we can allow and accept what's going on in our bodies is it's got to move. We are energy. When we don't move our bodies, it does get stuck and it does feel overwhelming and you feel all the resistance because when something on the edge that you get to now embrace as part of your energetic being, if you're not moving your energy systems in this incredible human form that we have, it's going to be harder. It's going to be harder. So I actually really love that you bring it back to actually moving the body.
Yeah, it is. The body tells us so much. There's so much information. In fact, our level of resistance to getting out there and doing some form of exercise, that very resistance is showing us that we're resisting something in life. And if we're able to bring awareness to that and actually go, Okay, there's something that I'm resisting here. I'll give you an example. This morning as I was waking up, I found myself just wanting to stay in bed. I noticed I just didn't want to get out. A lthough I was ready in a week, and I thought, This is interesting. And as I explored that, I realized, Oh, my gosh, I'm feeling some fear about this interview. This conversation. And I went, Wow, wonderful. Okay, I can feel it in my body now. I know that this is fear rising in me. Okay, now I'm going to call in support to help acknowledge this fear and to release it, to release it, to allow myself to step into a space of being held and guided in this unknown conversation, where might this go? That was all it took for me to get out of bed. It was like bringing acknowledgement to that fear.
I want to share this other story as well.
This is more about... I've been reading a book. This is the second time I'm reading it. It's a most wonderful book. It's called... Goodness, it's called Anna, Grandmother of Jesus. Have you heard of it?
I haven't read that one, no.
Okay. Anyway, in this book, this is the grandmother of Jesus, who of Yeshva, who's offering the story of Yeshva and Mother Mary. Anyway, in the story, there's this chapter where she describes Yeshua's initiation journey in India. This is when he was still preparing himself for the times ahead. He's on this initiatory journey in India with Mahavita Babji and his father. They're traversing the Himalayas. They're walking, they're going on this big hike, speak about how important it is to move. Our body is so important, the vehicle that we're in. Anyway, they're climbing up some really steep terrain. They're facing wild weather, gale force winds and heavy snowstorms. But all along the way, the gale force winds would part as they approached. The storms, the snowstorms would just dissipate as they arrived. It was an easeful journey as much as it was an intense journey. It was easeful. Then they'd reached a point in this journey where they arrive at a cliff. Speaking about living in the edge, where you reach a cliff and you look over the cliff and it's this daunting thought, What do I do now? How do I get to the other side?
I can't even see the other side, which was what Yashiro was facing in this point. He was exhausted in his body and he's looking at this huge leap that they need to make. He's thinking, I don't know if I can do this. At that point, he himself realizes that it is fear that is starting to settle in his body and that fear feels heavy. But as he caught that fear, he brings his awareness back to that oneness, back to that connection to that unity, to father, mother, God, away from that suffering of... That fear brings up that fear of that experience of separation. From that place of oneness, he could see through his mind's eye that he already had all the ability, the super powers within him, which we all do, to help him face that cliff and get to the other side, which, of course, it was just, of course, what he did. I just find that story so inspiring. We always will hit those fearful moments when we come to those cliff edge moments.
Well, and that's just coming back to this aspect of the living on the edge of change. It's the more we... The faster... I'm reminded of a saying that I used a lot when I... Well, even with raising kids or in corporate America, like some times it's like the faster you fail, the faster you learn. It's like when you're learning to walk, what happens? You fall hundreds of times. So in your own way, you're failing over and over and over. And the more you keep trying, the faster you learn. Same thing with riding a bike. And so we're really talking about this concept of if there is failure or if there is uncomfort, it's like just being willing in that curiosity and innocence of a child of learning to walk again. It's like, how do we more embrace every day in that moment with whatever is presented? As a child, we weren't scared. We were investigating everything. Everything. You're trying to keep kids out of the cabinets and off the street. And somewhere we lose that as adults, and we lose that curiosity and that fun of life, of exploration of everything, and we let fear influence us.
But just acknowledging it is, well, that's half the battle. Just being willing to name what is it you're afraid of? And then you can go, oh, well, okay, I don't have to be afraid of that. Yeah. So if we come back to this aspect of living on the edge, and you mentioned the divine mother, and we talk about an aspect of divine feminine and the consciousness around divine feminine, how do those two things connect? How do you look at those or how do you use those together to move forward?
Well, see, this is the thing. Here we are on this journey to reclaim the feminine, to give voice and expression again. It's part of bringing balance to what has been out of balance for so long. When we reclaim the feminine, we are reclaiming this aspect of an unknown expression. Let's just call it intuition. It's intuitive aspect within us which always knows. And if we trust is knowing, it is always going to take us to the next step. But it is an unknown next step. It's very moment to moment. We can't plan ahead like we used to because we are really responding to the moment and where our intuition is guiding us. As we reclaim the feminine, we are allowing ourselves or supporting ourselves to actually live on the edge of change as guided by the feminine's desire to guide us toward where we live each other, where we're meant to go, where she wants us to go and create. As you say, you want to create a lot. The feminine within is wanting that. She wants to keep birthing new expressions. It's that space of allowing that voice to be expressed in a way where we don't second guess.
We don't bring in the... Oh, I mean, we will. The practical and the logical and, oh, no, we can't do that because of this, this, this. Before we can even do that, you need to make sure you have all your ducks in a row. And oftentimes it's that way of being that can really stifle the expression of the feminine. Really, when we embrace living on the edge, we are actually saying, Okay, yes, I accept. I want to know where my feminine voice is leading me. I know this is uncomfortable, but I'm welcoming it to really guide me. Let that voice of that intuitive self guide me. But equally, and this is where I think a lot of people who... And maybe I would go as far to say, a lot of women fall in this trap where... Maybe not, maybe this is my own generalization.
I think it's probably true. This is an issue for humanity. This isn't a male or female thing. That's right.
We need to have a strong masculine container to express this. Without that masculine container, the feminine voice is not given the vehicle to be expressed, to be seen. This is where the dance between that... As I had said earlier, I said we throw the anchor out, but in reality, what we're doing is we're bringing in this new expression, a new relationship with a masculine container that can hold where the feminine is taking us, where the feminine wants to take us. It's always a union. It's always a dance between the two. It's always in balance. Without that balance, without that balance, then something gets lost along the way. We face into the resistances. There isn't that ease of flow. We always get back to it. Does that make.
Sense, Sheila? Yeah, absolutely. There's such an aspect of when you talk about the divine feminine and the divine masculine and the container and our ability to live on the edge and trust that aspect of the divine feminine that's within all of us. This is a balance of men claiming an aspect of the divine feminine as well. But women.
It's.
Not. This isn't a male female human body experience. This is a balance of energies. The energy that you're talking about, claiming is that it's that inner strength, the divine feminine, the inner strength, an aspect of intuition, the listening to guidance. But we stand in our own power more. It's each other's power over. It's not a power over, it's a strength within. And that's that beauty of the divine feminine and the balance of the container that you're talking about. It has to be both. I spent my career, corporate career in my early life in a technology field which was very male dominated and masculine energy dominated.
Because.
That's just an aspect of how technology had developed on the planet. Right, wrong or indifferent in corporate America and leadership. But I was actually sharing in a class yesterday a recognition of where, even though I wouldn't have called it that, when that... I was talking about being a computer programmer, and I always loved actually working on other people's code. And most programmers don't like to work on other people's code because you have to figure out how that person was thinking, and you have to figure out how they wrote what they did in order to try and fix it. I actually always loved that. I realized when I was speaking about it that that was a way I was using intuition and an aspect of the divine feminine to actually solve problems because it was a connection into really the energy of that other person and how they wrote the code. I loved being the person that would go look at everybody else's stuff and try to fix it like that because I was I got to be creative in my own way in that way. And you can be creative writing code, but it was a way that I think I was connecting with an aspect of intuition and just that inner knowing and listening to that because that let me more quickly and easily solve problems.
Solving problems doesn't have to be a mental thing. It's not a masculine or a male thing because I was using and listening to an aspect of knowing, an aspect of intuition that I think was a way of the divine feminine trying to find its own expression even many years ago.
That's so beautiful. I love that. I love that story. It feels this you bring that presence into that cold and you can see the story and you can see how this person, I love it. That's that dance that happens. As you say, the solutions come from that space of creativity. Most people would say it comes when they're in the shower.
The moment you least expect it.
That's right. Yeah. But it's that body of knowing that we're so quick to say no to. We're so quick to second guess, diminish, devalue. But I think we're in that time now, and the more of us who are willing to allow that curiosity, that curiosity that our intuition is guiding us toward. That's when we can really, I think, enjoy life. This is the dawn of an age where we can let go of that suffering that we've been so accustomed to and start to enjoy.
Yeah, just enjoy it. Absolutely. Have more fun. A little bit of that living on the edge is the little... It's almost... You had started out when you first described living on the edge as it doesn't mean you have to be jumping off a cliff or doing crazy wild things. But it is a bit of a radical concept to just live in the unknown. There is an aspect of that that is radical because we've been in a culture of so much defining how life should look. It's so interesting to play with that idea of, well, let's be radical and not need to know how life needs to look. Absolutely.
And it is a radical idea. It really is. And I think we're ready for it. If there's anything at all that I can say about living on the edge, it is absolutely an invitation to not know. You cannot know the outcome. But paradoxically, you know beyond a doubt that you must do it.
That's the inner strength and the trusting of the divine feminine that you know yourself more. You don't try to be somebody else, but you trust that when you interpret the dream and the anchor, you're letting go. It doesn't matter what some book that somebody wrote 20 years ago about dream interpretation means. It matters that you get the message from it for you right now. That's what it is to listen to ourselves again and in this balance of divine, feminine, and living on the edge.
Beautiful. I love that. Listen to ourselves. That's really all we need to do. As we.
Close out our conversation, although I have all kinds of tangents I could continue chatting about, in terms of how you support people and what you're doing as an intuitive guide and healer, how are you working with people and what do you want to share with people about what you do? Well, a.
Lot of what I do at the moment is really supporting and mentoring those who are facing these moments in their life. They're in this transition in moving from one role to another, not really knowing where they fit in anymore, where they belong, really curious to really questioning, Who am I really? I've lost my voice over these years. I've lost my sense of self in the partnerships that I've been in. How can I reconnect with this knowing in me? Where does she want to lead me to? This is where we have a lot of fun in one to one sessions. I also offer workshops to really play with these themes. How do we actually practically live our lives when we are listening to our intuition? How does it show up as resistances? How do we still flow with it? I'm actually offering a free online gathering at the next New Moon. W e've got a new moon coming up this weekend. T he next new moon, this is in June, where I came up with the title Losing Your Anchor. I'm not so sure whether that's.
The title. I love that. I wonder where that came from. That's the thing, right?
It's like, that's the title that came up. I'm going, but are people going to get it? Are they going to run when they see that title? But anyway, I'm playing with that title at the moment. It's a space to come together and explore. How do we live with the curiosity when our sense of security and stability is being challenged? How do we find that space where we can actually really trust and step into that space of stillness? As you said in the taichi class, how do we allow ourselves to come back to that stillness so we know we are always supported. There's always help coming to us all the time. Yes, all the.
Time and always.
Well.
Thank you, Deepa, for joining me today. It's been wonderful to talk about living on the edge of change and the divine feminine aspect of that. I really enjoy engaging in that conversation and that energy.
Thank you so much, Eli. I really appreciate you inviting me. I've had a lot of fun exploring this topic with you. Thank you. You're very welcome.
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Dheepa is an Intuitive Guide, Resonance Alchemy Healer and Facilitator. She advocates and teaches practices for embodying and reclaiming your sacred voice, creative expression and leadership. Her prayer, to be humble and in service to the Divine Mother, feeds and informs her work for birthing a new life in the dawning of this new age. Dheepa shares her healing and empowerment journey using intuitive meditative processes, offering guidance and clarity for those seeking to Know Thyself and reclaim their personal power and leadership.